Anyone here besides myself involved in public safety diving or search and recovery operations?
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Re: Search & recovery diving
Sat, September 22, 2007 - 4:48 PMNo, but I'm interested in how one becomes involved in that. A friend of mine took a course in S&R diving in Guatemala, but I have not heard about this in the states. I imagine it's probably handled by law enforcement or the military.
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Sat, September 22, 2007 - 6:35 PMNaw, no war stories I want to tell, but I'll you what about the team.
What I am involved in is a local, non-profit, all volunteer dive team.
We conduct search operations, usually for missing persons. We also do recovery, as in bring up bodies or evidence, if law enforcement requests so requests. About half the time they let us bring it up, but if it is a crime scene, law enforcement may send in their own divers to do the recovery portion.
When we are not searching, we train and practice search patterns and search methods. It takes a lot of practice to get the search methods down.
We also serve in a life guard/public safety role at public parks during busy holiday weekends. We have the dive team in place and ready to go if needed, and we conduct a shore patrol and kayak patrol to try to prevent drownings and accidents.
Most volunteers have taken at least the rescue diver course and are experienced, competent, capable divers, but no military or law enforcment experience is required, and you don't have to be a professional diver to join. It is beyond recreational diving, but is not tech diving.
We use AGA masks (full face masks) with underwater communications systems.
We did a search today. I spent a total of about three hours underwater, in the course of six dives, all in zero or near zero vis. You could not see your gauges, that's for sure. We systematically covered a large area, but unfortunately did not find our objective. At least we have ruled out that area.
It means a lot to families if you can find their loved ones, it gives them closure. Even if we don't ever find them, at least they know a group of divers cared enough to try.
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Sun, September 23, 2007 - 8:37 AMQ: "Didnt this guy used to be Search and Discovery diver?
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A: I could not say.
But he certainly is daper enough to be a search and recovery diver. We are an extremely daper group. In fact, I often wear a tux under my Mark IV diving bell and suit.
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Sat, September 22, 2007 - 10:36 PMWow, that sounds like quite a challenge. I did coastal cleanup day last week and the visibility at the Santa Monica Pier was about 2 feet, which was quite a shock because my last dives were cenotes in Mexico where it's more like 200 feet. I wasn't aware that civilians could do this sort of thing. How does one get involved? That sounds like some serious, time intensive training. -
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Sun, September 23, 2007 - 8:19 AMI don't know how one gets involved in your area. I got recruited by the team; I saw them out at the lake one day and expressed an interest, and they invited me to apply.
It involves one training execrise a month and one membership meeting once a month, plus going out on operations as needed and as available. Not too extensive a commitment.
Most of my recreational diving is in 5 to 10 foot vis, and it can go to zero vis in an instant if someone starts kicking up the silt on the bottom. But a prolonged dive in total black out was new for me.
It was not scary, though. I always knew where I was. I would not recommend zero vis diving without a rope system!
We use a rope system, so we are not moving around randomly. For this search, we have a buoy at the surface and a rope goes down to the bottom, with an anchor and a diver who mans the anchor point. and helps the other divers find the search line. Another diver descends and takes out a rope on a reel that is connected to the anchor. This is the search rope. Then the other divers descend one by one and take their positions on the search rope.
The search rope is pulled tight and it sweeps around in a circle, with the divers spaced so that there is coverage along the entire line. When the surface team radios in that we have completed the circle, we stop and the divers follow the search line back to the anchor and then ascend one by one up the buoy line.
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Sun, September 23, 2007 - 8:08 AMThat is a great effort.
I just took the rescue diver course and it was awesome (not just because my husband was the instructor). Every diver should learn rescue skills.
We had a divemaster helping out who was a former fireman and was a trainer for the local search and rescue operations. He pointed out that one reason they have rescue divers search for only 30 minutes and then call it off is because the majority of his search and rescue efforts are in fact search and recovery, meaning that you're bringing back a dead body and most rec divers aren't mentally prepared for that. So it's a good idea to give it some thought and visualize how you would handle that situation and mentally prepare yourself before joining these operations.
They are, of course, incredibly worthwhile for giving the families closure. And every once in a while, it really is a search & rescue, especially with kids who are amazingly resilient.
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Tue, September 25, 2007 - 9:00 AMA few years back my buddy was on the Search and Rescue volunteer team for one of the local cities across the bay from me and they were desperately looking for a new diver to round out a full team of SAR personel. I was really interested in doing so and didnt care there was no pay, but I finally balked because I simply lived to far away... 25 - 30 miles in the SF Bay Area can sometimes take an hour and a half or more to drive. And you were required to keep your dive gear and tanks in your vehicle at all times... Not really wanting to leave an air tank in my car especially on hot summer days...
Suffice to say, anyone that wants to get involved with such groups should simply seek information from the different cities near you. You may find opennings for SAR Divers even though they arent being actively sought or advertised for... -
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Tue, September 25, 2007 - 4:46 PMTo get involved in S&R contact your local sherrifs dept.
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Tue, September 25, 2007 - 9:55 PMWe are not required to keep our gear ready to go in the car on moment's notice.
I don't get that. Unless you have a dive team on site that is ready to jump in within minutes of an emergency call, a dive team is not going to save a life, so what is the point of being ready on a moment's notice? We might be searching within a day or two of a drowning, but unfortunately, all the people we are searching for are already dead, and getting there a few hours earlier is not going to make any difference.
Frankly, it takes some time to plan all the logistics of a systematic search operation, unless your search area is very small.
We do safety patrols at the lake, where we hope to save lives and prevent drownings, but that is done more as life guards than as divers. We don't walk around in our scuba gear! -
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Tue, September 25, 2007 - 10:39 PMAt the time i was looking to do this, 6 years ago, Los Gatos, Ca SAR required you to keep your gear in your car if you lived more then 30 miles away... Which I do, though I work in that area... -
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Tue, September 25, 2007 - 11:17 PMI just don't see the immediate urgency, though that may be because my local environment is fresh water lakes. There are no tides or significant currents to worry about in a lake, so if a body does not float to the surface, it is not going anywhere. -
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Thu, October 4, 2007 - 9:01 PMI spent 10 years as a volunteer rescue diver on our towns fire department. We did boat rescue, ice rescue and near shore SCUBA operations. Our gear was always on our rescue truck and we would regularly do training in quick rescue response.
We did several recoveries of bodies from motor vehicle accidents as part of our response as MVA rescuers. If there was more than a 1 hour window and we couldn't find anything, we would pass the job over to the law enforcement divers . We would assist in moving cars and trucks out of the water for environmental reasons. (It's pretty easy to find a car submerged in a freshwater lake, often they still have their lights on)
During my time with the team, we saved a dog that fell through the ice, and pulled several cars containing dead people out of lakes and rivers.
The dive rescue part of our team was disbanded when our town became amalgamated with the larger city. We still do ice rescue.
Three years after the team was disbanded, a woman (a former girlfriend of mine) and her five year old boy drove off the road into a flooded bog. Rescuers had to jump into freezing water in street clothes to recover their bodies. She was revived on scene after spending 5-10 minutes submerged, but the boy spent 25 minutes underwater. He fully recovered 6 days later after being pretty much flatline for three days.
We were always taught that "in cold water drowning a person isn't dead until they are warm and dead". That little pithy line in a boring rescue seminar probably saved two peoples lives. Both our crews and the paramedics treated the patients based on the possibility that they could be revived.
What you are doing is a good service to the community, especially if it does not have a SAR dive team nearby. And don't discount the possibility that you will be doing a rescue someday. It only has to happen once to make a difference for somebody. -
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Thu, October 11, 2007 - 10:13 PMThat is cool. It makes sense to be on the ready in that environment.
Unfortunately where we are, by the time any dive team, volunteer or paid, can get on location and into position on the lake where all the accidents and drowings occur, the person is in all likelihood going to be dead.
Usually, someone has fallen overboard due to a boating accident, and the witnesses are not even sure where to tell us to look.
Vis is only 10-15 feet most of the year, and the lake is huge and deep, 160 at max depth, with depths of over 100 feet in the main channels.
The odds are against us of ever even recovering a body, much less finding a drowing victim before they die.
The lake temp never drops below 54, and during the summer when most of the accidents occur, the surface temp is 82.
So while we would love to rescue someone, the only time that is going to happen is when we are acting as lifeguards, not even wearing our scuba gear.
When we do life guard patrols, though, we do have our scuba gear ready to go, and I carrry a mask, fins and snorkel on my person while on patrol, along with a life buoy and rope.
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